[Ffmpeg-devel] Re: [MPlayer-dev-eng] gmx unconditionally rejects valid mails due to SORBS (=i need new mail provider!)

Viktor Kompaneyets vato
Thu Jun 1 10:39:15 CEST 2006

Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:

> On Thursday, 25 May 2006 at 11:39, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> Hi
>> as you probably noticed from the recent disscussion, mails from many
>> developers dont reach me anymore thanks to gmx & sorbs,
> GMX is to blame here, not SORBS.
>> sorbs only removes people from their list if they pay,
> That's not true.

Its more than true - SORBS pass a whole /24 net to list and ask for 50$ to
remove _each_ IP from list. Without any comments or conversations.

>> i have great doubt about the legality of this system, it somehow reminds
>> me of mafia methods, but then IMO listing people (or IPs which are
>> practically equivalent) probably is already breaking european privacy
>> laws, then again iam not a lawyer and iam just guessing,
> You're guessing wrong.

No, Michael had right guess - SORBS makes it`s own business, not ours.

>> i mean if i made a list of addresses of young good looking girls id be in
>> serious troubble in no time
> Yes, you would.
>> so why should doing this with spammers and people who never send a spam
>> but somehow still end up on the list and people with dynamic ips be
>> legal?
> Because it's not a list of people. There's no personal data involved. It's
> like a list of dangerous city districts (as in: don't go here and there at
> night because you might get robbed).

No, it`s not _city_ districts, it`s an occupated whole city. And robbed by
such `police` 

>> the second part of the problem of course is that gmx has no option
>> to turn this insanity off (ive already disabled all their antispam stuff)
> Blame GMX.

Blame SORBS too - the 60% of CIS (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc.) ISP`s AS IP
blocks (/16 /24 and so on ) are in SORBS totally. Using SORBS as DNSBL is
now a _great_ movetone by large ISP in here.

>> so iam asking if someone could provide me a working pop3/smtp email or
>> for suggestions of a useable mail provider ...
> I think we should have virtual e-mail accounts on mphq for developers.
> I personally prefer to have my own e-mail server, so I don't know any
> good e-mail providers. ;)

Google in last version is quite good!

Viktor Kompaneyets
Wnet project manager

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