[FFmpeg-devel] Files crashing FFmpeg
Wed Dec 3 14:30:09 CET 2008
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:44:45AM -0800, Jason Garrett-Glaser wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Diego Biurrun <diego at biurrun.de> wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:39:01PM -0800, Jason Garrett-Glaser wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:09 AM, compn <tempn at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:54:29 -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
> >> >>Benjamin Larsson wrote:
> >> >>> This list http://tranquillity.ath.cx/ffmpeg_crashfiles.txt contains
> >> >>> links to files that crashes a FFmpeg version from 2007. Can anyone come
> >> >>> up with a good tool so we can run through and check all these files ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This list was donated by Picsearch.
> >> >>
> >> >>Do we have the project budget to send them a nice fruit basket for the
> >> >>holidays? This is some good stuff. It would be nice if some other
> >> >>organizations that automatically process millions of diverse files with
> >> >>FFmpeg could throw some problem files our way.
> >> >
> >> > it would be nice of youtube to send some changes back our way too...
> >> From a talk I had with the Google engineer who runs the Youtube
> >> encoding chain a few days ago, it seems Google's official policy is
> >> that they're not allowed to publicly admit that they use open source
> >> products such as ffmpeg (!!).
> > What is the reason he gave for this nonsensical attitude? Google uses
> > open source all over in other places and employs a multitude of central
> > open source devs...
> There were a number of excuses he tried to make for this. (all quotes
> aren't actual quotes)
> The primary one was that of patents, with regards to x264: "we
> shouldn't publicly state we are using x264 because then people might
> go after you for patent reasons." There is some glimpse of reason to
> this, as x264 is a rather small project that hasn't gotten takedown
> threats just yet.
The only case where this ever happened was libdts. But the entity to go
after x264 would be the MPEG-LA. They have not shown this kind of
behavior in the past 10 years or so, I do not expect they will in the
Also note that none of the attempts to take down open source projects
like this have ever been successful.
> But then I asked him "well than what about ffmpeg? Do you seriously
> expect that companies would be more likely to go after ffmpeg for
> patent infringement because Google uses them?"
> And he responded that "competitors to Google [e.g. Microsoft] might
> choose to go after ffmpeg to try to 'get at google'".
Complete nonsense of course. Microsoft could also try to go after Linux
to 'get at Google'. Or after a ton of other projects where Google has
not problem admitting they use them...
> Yes, the reasoning is complete horseshit, but apparently they're hard
> and fast on not making any public statement on using open source
> software. This is of course hilarious irony given Summer of Code and
> other such programs Google runs. By the way, the conversation began
> when I asked him about the possibility of giving some credit to ffmpeg
> and x264 (perhaps in some About section somewhere on the Youtube
Well, we can turn the tables around and expose that they do use FFmpeg
and x264, together with some proof if need be. That should settle these
silly matters of secrecy.
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