[FFmpeg-devel] [VOTE] FFmpeg leader

Michael Niedermayer michaelni
Sat Oct 2 16:38:43 CEST 2010

On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:41:05PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 10/02/2010 02:45 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> nope, i was trying to fix the very same things mans fixed, namely reformating
>> the code for better readability. no tool in the world would have avoided that
>> colission and wasted time.
> Said this way I see as it was something minor and not worth losing  
> either Mans or you over it... If Mans were aware you were working on it  
> he wouldn't spent his time doing the same, if you were aware he was  
> working on it you wouldn't spent your time on it as well I think.

of course
but in the past it was a unwritten rule that whoever commits is responsible
for it and must fix it when he messes up. So i really think it was my not
mans job to fix this

>> I do take it seriously when i commit something and i do fix issues that are
>> pointed out to me (unless its bikeshed that goes far too far like the #include)
>> its annoying if someone complains to me and while i start working then commits
>> under my fingers that very change without asking, making me waste time
> That happens because you were unaware that you were both working on that  
> part of the code I think.
> It's quite normal to complain, see nothing happening and then do  
> yourself since you can and need it, isn't it?
> It's not like we don't rewrite patches many times upon discussion to  
> make the code nicer, because others spotted a simpler/nicer way to  
> implement something or even because we put a typo in the comments...
> **Sidenote**
> I respect both you and your skills, I enjoyed working and discussing  
> with Mans. Your main fault is being distant and from time to time you  
> just push changes that probably might have enjoyed some more discussion  
> and that might take by surprise a good number of people. His main fault  
> is being caustic and confrontational.
> This thread started with a vote to say if we trust you and we want you  
> as leader. I, as most people around here, said that I trust you but I'd  
> rather have you behave like every other developer.

> Then this thread derailed a bit, since you didn't see anything wrong in
> your behaviour, then I noted that what started the discussion probably  
> would be a quite smaller issue if we use better tools to communicate so  
> we don't stomp on each other feet from time to time.

I think i must correct this a bit, i do see that some of my actions where
when seen afterwards somewhat non ideal. But the rule breaking that
is being called is just not true, the whole is blown completely out of
proportion. The changes where publically discussed, and i implemented and
commited them. this being code i maintain and the things being already
discussed i felt it was not needed to post patches and wait 3 days.
where very likely no single person would have replied or reviewed.
I know from experience that my patches are rarely properly reviewed when i post

> Meanwhile Mans chose to just step back. To me, in the end it's just a  
> major loss for FFmpeg if we lose any of you.
> Right now the only person able to make Mans reconsider is you.

ive already said i do not want mans to leave

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