[FFmpeg-devel] (trying to be) a voice of reason

Michael Niedermayer michaelni
Tue Mar 15 01:55:37 CET 2011

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 08:48:24PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quartidi 24 vent?se, an CCXIX, Michael Niedermayer a ?crit?:
> > I also thought it can be done, but simply voting for equality 14:1 had no
> > effect, it was ignored.
> You could have guessed it would be ignored before you even started it. The
> main reason is: because it was you.
> Some people have a strong dislike for you, personally. Anything you would
> have done, they would have rejected.
> In my opinion, you have shown yourself slightly more reasonable than them.
> But only slightly: the sarcastic comments, the snide remarks, were too much.
> If you care about the project, you must do an effort and be much more
> reasonable than them, at least for the time.
> Now, here is a simple question:
> If someone you deem trustworthy organizes an unbiased proper vote, and the
> result is not to your liking, would you:

If its a vote with
* long enough discussion periods,
* people can add options  (like for example in debian)
* the options are discussed before vote
* its a condorcet vote with single choosen option at the end (like for example in debian)
* people seriously participate (no "no more vote" / "no more discussion" / i vote X only if stuff)
* people are calm and its not 2 weeks after a large flame
* the vote happens at a place where people can freely speak and are not banned or
  moderated if some admin percives them as troll or flame
* all people who can vote must be informed about it and have a chance to
  participate in all discussions
* all parties agree to also follow the result similarly, that is libav.org
  and what they technically control must also be under the votes control
* There are no behind the scenes lies+libel compaigns

> a. surrender control of whatever you technically control to the new
>    appointed leadership, or
> b. keep control of whatever you can and fight with any weapon at your
>    disposal?
> Note that answering "a" does not prevent you, during the voting process,
> from clearly stating "if this motion I do not like passes, I will leave;
> heed my advice".

I belive in democracy. If the result of the vote would tell me to give X
up to Y i would either
* Do it
* Do it and leave

PS: I assume of course common sense like no (give all your money to X)


Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB

Awnsering whenever a program halts or runs forever is
On a turing machine, in general impossible (turings halting problem).
On any real computer, always possible as a real computer has a finite number
of states N, and will either halt in less than N cycles or never halt.
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