[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] doc/developer.texi: Add a code of conduct

Michael Niedermayer michael at niedermayer.cc
Fri May 20 15:18:37 CEST 2016

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 02:50:17PM +0200, Christophe Gisquet wrote:
> Hi,
> 2016-05-20 2:38 GMT+02:00 Timothy Gu <timothygu99 at gmail.com>:
> >> > Note how it has a list of specific violations, instead of vague things like
> >> > "Be excellent" that the FFmpeg one has.
> >> > Note how it has a huge section on disciplinary procedures.
> [...]
> > I have to agree with Kieran here. I believe that as a community, we definitely
> > _want_ to assume good faith, etc. But conflict resolution requires strict,
> > codified consequences for violations of the CoC, to ensure fairness. The
> > language needs to be made more serious so that people actually take it in the
> > way it is intended.
> Completely agree. Without sanctions, I fear it won't help mitigate problems.

I belive that people simply not accepting aggression and _politely_
pointing it out to their peers when they treat others disrespectful
alone would already have a big effect

on (i belive) debian lists i saw multiple people politely point out
that an attack was inappropriate and it stoped, no one was banned
I thus think similar stern but respectfull&polite community opposition
alone could be effective for ffmpeg

I think a big part of the problem is that if one insults another
the friends of both support the seperation (that is we good vs. they
bad thinking). People should instead oppose the disrespect itself but
support people on both sides (we are all good, the language used / act
there was bad)


> Also, because a text is subject to interpretation, the CoC could maybe
> state how this is arbitrated.

This is a very hard problem and also part of why i suggest to wait
with adding penalties/sanctions.
Note iam suggesting to wait with adding penalties NOT to
not add penalties if it doesnt work without

also if penalties are used they will in practice probably end up
being applied to both sides as "who started" is likely often another
very hard problem people would have very heated oppinions about

Michael     GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB

Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony.
-- Heraclitus
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