[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] Revert "Remove battleforthenet widget"

Compn tempn at mi.rr.com
Sun Mar 4 16:22:01 EET 2018


On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 13:17:08 +0100, wm4 <nfxjfg at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2018 11:49:16 +0000
> Ricardo Constantino <wiiaboo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 1 March 2018 at 01:19, Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:33:55PM -0900, Lou Logan wrote:  
> > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Jan Ekström wrote:  
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking at how much it got updated the last time when it misbehaved
> > > > > shows really well how that worked the last time. Sorry if I sound
> > > > > facetious, but I do use ffmpeg-all.html a lot and it got /really/
> > > > > irritating.  
> > > >
> > > > +1.
> > > >
> > > > I object to the patch. The widget is annoyingly intrusive,  
> > >
> > > How is it intrusive if it is displayed once and never shows
> > > again for 60 days (which is how its configured) if you close it ?
> > >  
> > 
> > > It will show again if you delete the cookie it uses to keep track of
> > > you closing it i think. But MANY webpages will display silly first time
> > > notes if you loose cookies regularly.
> > >  
> > 
> > 
> > Many people remove cookies from non-regular sites on closing the browser.
> > Why would people suddenly need to keep a cookie in order to not get nagged
> > on ffmpeg.org?
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >  
> > > > but as a compromise I would not block a small, resized, temporary simple  
> > > image banner in the bottom of the menu:  
> > > >
> > > > <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gfot3MqZDAyBcmMUm2bunJMn5geNK
> > > f6v>  
> > >
> > > If you put this there, its of course better than nothing
> > > but i dont know if this is wise as a replacement for the widget.
> > >  
> > 
> > It seems a very welcome alternative. Banners are way less annoying than
> > fullscreen popups.
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > As a user i much rather would want to be told that theres a problem in the
> > > future straight in the face and how i might be able to help fight against
> > > it.
> > > Instead of a banner i wont realize is there and wont click on and wont
> > > realize
> > > what it is about before iam hit with slower speed or increased fees from
> > > an ISP or increased fees from random companies who need to pay for fast
> > > lanes
> > > to keep operating
> > >  
> > 
> > You can link whatever's the campaign webpage in the banner and whoever
> > cares will go see it.
> > Don't assume people will care more if you plaster it in their face and
> > block what they were reading.
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Its in fact a slightly sinister scheme, people could end up paying alot
> > > more
> > > for their internet connection without realizing that they do. That is if
> > > they
> > > end up paying all the companies who in the future may have to pay for their
> > > connections not to be slowed down. The end user pays, the ISPs get the
> > > money
> > > but the path is not neccesarily direct.
> > >  
> > 
> > There's a lot more places where people can get their armchair politics
> > satisfied than ffmpeg.org.
> > A banner or a news post would make more sense.
> > 
> 
> Yeah, I agree a banner of some sort would be less intrusive and still
> get noticed. We'd also not have to run foreign JS (that already proved
> to be buggy before). Seems like the best choice.

I would prefer a static news post. Not because of security issues, I
just dont like popups. 

For security, any developers complaining in this thread about security
issues should be whitelisting javascript only, and disabling javascript
everywhere else. Complaining about a 3rd party javascript, in this day
and age, means you've already thrown in the towel on your browser
security.

or in lieu of a news post, make the widget only on ffmpeg.org/index ,
not on DOCS pages. I ran into the widget a few times too when it was
misbehaving.

I am not objecting outright, net neutrality is pretty important.

And yes, you foreigners should be helping the USA with this, as
THIS WILL affect the backbones. how many internet backbones are owned
by US companies? non-usa people can help in some ways:

1. ask friends in usa to help
2. post on your own blogs and websites, spread the word
3. contact your local political representatives to tell them how net
neutrality is important.

-compn


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