[FFmpeg-devel] Fwd: Your message to ffmpeg-devel awaits moderator approval

[Michael Niedermayer]

Hi

On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 07:44:49AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-12-21 04:57:26)
> >
> 
> This is frankly a load of bullshit, and I find it insulting that you
> expect people to swallow it.
> 
> At least in the past five years, ML moderators have NEVER used their
> powers in this manner.

> Not even once, not in the most toxic threads,
> never.

I do claim, that is NOT a good thing


> And yet now, you suddenly decide that it's always been okay and
> supposed to work this way. And presumably we have always been at war
> with Eastasia.
> 
> > > with no oversight.
> > 
> > What does that even mean ?
> > If a discussion goes of the rails and becomes "toxic" the moderator
> > must step in and take action. At worst a mail is delayed or may need to
> > be resent (if really a mistake is made).
> > 
> > Iam fairly sure i remember you wanting something to be done about the tone
> > and lack of friendlyness on the ML years ago.
> > 
> > more so, half of the current CC candidates where involved in fuelling
> > the previous unfriendly threads. So we cannot even vote for a CC that has
> > 5 members who have not been involved.
> 

> So you're saying that because our democratic process does not work

yes


> the
> way you like,

the way anyone likes ? (everyone from every side complained)


> you are going to ignore it and do things your way.
> Or put differently, all our democracy is just pretend and in the end
> it's you personally who calls the shots. In that case you should have
> the guts to come out and say so directly instead of hiding behind
> walls of fallacious arguments. Then I wouldn't need to waste time and
> effort on organizing all those votes and elections.

The tone on the mailing list is bad, and alot of the bad toned mails
really do not belong onto ffmpeg-devel.
I think thats the view of many people from many sides. The difference is
people find their own mail excempt of course.

So yes, if the CC doesnt stop it, if the people out of their own choice
dont stop. Then yes in last instance i have to stop these mails. It is
going to destroy the community otherwise.

I have tried ignoring it, I have tried for 2 years to let the CC resolve it.
Several CC members truly tried to improve the situation.
Noone, i have ever spoken with, said (s)he likes these threads. People have
different oppinions about who is at fault but noone likes the tone in these
threads.

So what moderators would likely do is:
1. simply remind developers that this list is for "FFmpeg development" and that
   comments about people are not on topic.
2. set developers who have been disproportionally reminded of that, to moderated
   as long as needed
3. patches and reviews from moderated developers would then be delayed by
   ~24h until a moderator approves them.

If i stand by and do nothing, THAT would be abusing of my power

Also, anyone who doesnt want this "moderation thing",
* dont send badly toned mails
* if you see someone else talking about fellow developers in a bad tone,
  remind them that this doesnt belong on ffmpeg-devel without starting an
  argument. Or like ronald did, ask them to tone it down.

thx

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