[FFmpeg-user] Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg

Leonard Bogard leonard at kcfchurch.org
Tue Apr 22 00:26:44 CEST 2014

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:58 PM, <miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr> wrote:

> On 2014-04-21 22:18, miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
>> Hello FFmpeg people and users!
>> (and Hello Gentoo people, indirectly!)
>> While I heavy-heartedly, since a few hours ago, abandoned all my work in
>> progress because it was programmatically, IMO, that is via portage
>> arrangements, purposefully, knowingly (but indirectly, not on me
>> personally, as
>> programs do), interrupted. Explanation follows later.
>> I am reinstalling Gentoo, which is explained here (currently the link is
>> perfectly extant, but that doesn't, with some mods in Gentoo (Gentoo
>> people,
>> you are getting a copy of this email too, you too vow transparency, I
>> can't be
>> wrong about that), [but that doesn't, with some mods in Gentoo] mean that
>> it
>> will remain, and I can assure you that I respect what I/others write, as
>> documents, so it won't be my fault in case in the future it isn't there,
>> sorry
>> for having to provide these caveats)...
>> I am reinstalling Gentoo, all (and the links pointed to) is (hopefully
>> also at
>> later time) here:
>> Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
>> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html
>> ...And in the links pointed from there, all painstakingly checked before
>> submitting them, local and external.
>> I am writing this to the list for reasons of being as user, victim of a
>> few
>> cunning attempts to be almost forced into using libav instead of real
>> ffmpeg.
>> I notice only now that FFmpeg hosts a mailing list for libav (if my
>> understanding is correct that that's the library containing avconv
>> program, a
>> fork of ffmpeg), and I actually wish that the compromise worked between
>> the
>> FFmpeg team and the Avconv team.
>> However, I'm not writing this to Avconv team. They're unnecessarily
>> spending my
>> time, as they already were a year ago when I installed Debian for the
>> first
>> time on another box, and when I found that ffmpeg was deprecated and that
>> I had
>> to use avconv... I want to live without them, even though I wish them
>> peace and
>> prosperity, but not in my yard, and so I don't really want to converse
>> with
>> them. They cost me time, as generally user, who they try to impose their
>> programs on, again and again...
>> I believe you are familiar with these issues, such as in Debian, where
>> ffmpeg
>> is virtually banned. Let me see if there were public discussions on the
>> issue
>> of Debian and the ffmpeg ban from it (other than from Christan Marillat's
>> deb-multimedia.org , but he was somewhat almost sidelined, and harassed
>> by
>> Zacchiroli the then leader in Debian -- I'm not an insieder, the
>> information
>> was from different places on the Internet, publically accessible)...
>> But let me see if there were public discussions on the issue of Debian
>> and the
>> ffmpeg ban... on...
>> (Just I don't want to use the Surveillance Engine itself, directly,
>> thanks a lot!)
>> literal input into ddg,gg:
>> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/ Debian avconv
>> only a few people asking questions to ffmpeg people about avconv and
>> turned
>> away...
>> literal input into startpage,com:
>> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/ Debian avconv
>> basically the same, worth pointing out this reply by Eugene Hoyos:
>> http://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2012-December/012223.html
>> "> avconv version v9_beta2-501-g6d5b009
>> This application is known to contain several hundred bugs
>> not present in FFmpeg, some of them security relevant,
>> please understand that we therefore cannot support it."
>> But not anything openly telling for the public.
>> So I am left to conclude for myself.
>> I want to show my problem openly, on the Gentoo Forums, but I was wrongly
>> banned from the Forums in one occasion, and so I am not in the clear that
>> what
>> I want to publically enquire about and suggest and plead, yes, actually
>> plead
>> to the Gentoo Developers, yes, the top Gentoo brass actually...
>> ...So I am not in the clear that what I want to publically enquire and
>> plead
>> about to Gentoo people, would remain in the open, and this time I don't
>> want to
>> lose my work, just because I may think differently, such as I think and
>> express
>> very openly on NSA spying that is getting a strong hold in GNU/Linux
>> through
>> SELinux, while the honest and very reliable Grsecurity/Pax are being
>> sidewayed
>> (and even so through censorship).
>> So this time I don't want to write and lose my work.
>> So my question is, to Gentoo Admins and Moderators and Developers, can I
>> openly
>> ask honest questions on Gentoo Forums about the issue that I broached
>> here, and
>> do you mind about me calling for witnesses in among the FFmpeg Admins,
>> Moderators and Developers, as well as subscribers?
>> And can you, FFmpeg team, allow me to openly voice my concern that I
>> touched
>> upon here?
>> I'm writing in a little hurry, I'm long overdue doing other things,
>> basically
>> using my Gentoo, and not still building it (and pls. notice that the
>> hindrance
>> in question has interfered even with my building that I should be
>> finishing
>> doing), so pls.  forgive syntax and other typoes and errors.
>> Pls. allow this in the open, it is probably best for this message to be
>> on the
>> FFmpeg Users Mailing list and publically in the archives as all emails
>> get to
>> be, and after getting a reply from Gentoo Admins, hopefully positive,
>> opening a
>> topic on Gentoo Forums and giving my entire explanation, with very clear
>> arguments.
>> I'm after peaceful solutions, not warrring, but absolutely against
>> arrogance in
>> imposing programs on users,
>> Miroslav Rovis
>> Zagreb, Croatia
>> www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
>> Post Scriptum: On a final note, I am not certain who among the Gentoo
>> team to
>> contact about this, so it has to be a public link on the
>> forums.gentoo.org to
>> start with, as soon as my email shows in the FFmpeg archives. When I think
>> carefully, that is the sole way that I can do it, I have no time for
>> asking and
>> waiting, and asking and waiting, as sometimes happens with some of the
>> Gentoo
>> people. Once the link is public, there is no need repeating. Much easier.
>> I will, however, send this copy straight to the main Admin of Gentoo
>> Forums, at
>> the same time as I will send this letter to the FFmpeg Users list, so that
>> entire text holds completely fair and true.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> ffmpeg-user at ffmpeg.org
>> http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user
> I did, first thing, send the entire of the above text to the main Admin of
> the Gentoo Forums.
> And, the title the same, on Gentoo:
> Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7539612.html
> (pls. hurriedly take notice that the link is alive right now, else I won't
> have witnesses that it was alive; happened, happened, it did happened to me
> on Gentoo Forums)
> ...There is a little longer to wait now:
> Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7539612.html
> Miroslav Rovis
> Zagreb, Croatia
> www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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Wow, what an amazing coincidence, the gentoo forums are down.

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