[FFmpeg-user] minterpolate performance & alternative

Paul B Mahol onemda at gmail.com
Thu Jan 28 23:34:24 EET 2021

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:23 PM Mark Filipak (ffmpeg) <markfilipak at bog.us>

> Synopsis:
> I seek to use minterpolate to take advantage of its superior output. I
> present some performance
> issues followed by an alternative filter_complex. So, this presentation
> necessarily addresses 2
> subjects.
> Problem:
> I'm currently transcoding a 2:43:05 1920x1080, 24FPS progressive video to
> 60FPS via minterpolate
> filter. Apparently, the transcode will take a little more than 3 days.
> Hardware:
> There are 4 CPU cores (with 2 threads, each) that run at 3.6 GHz. There is
> also an NVIDIA GTX 980M
> GPU having 1536 CUDA cores with a driver that implements the Optimus,
> CUDA-as-coprocessors architecture.
> Performance:
> During the transcode, ffmpeg is consuming only between 10% & 20% of the
> CPU. It appears to be
> single-threaded, and it appears to not be using Optimus at all.
> Is there a way to coax minterpolate to expand its hardware usage?
> Alternative filter_complex:
> minterpolate converts 24FPS to 60FPS by interpolating every frame via
> motion vectors to produce a 60
> picture/second stream in a 60FPS transport. It does a truly amazing job,
> but without expanded
> hardware usage, it takes too long to do it.
> A viable alternative is to 55 telecine the source (which simply duplicates
> the n%5!=2 frames) while
> interpolating solely the n%5==2 frames. That should take much less time
> and would produce a 24
> picture/second stream in a 60FPS transport -- totally acceptable.
> The problem is that motion vector interpolation requires that minterpolate
> be 'split' out and run in
> parallel with the main path in the filter_complex so that the interpolated
> frames can be plucked out
> (n%5==2) and interleaved at the end of the filter_complex. That doesn't
> make much sense because it
> doesn't decrease processing (or processing time) and, if the fully
> motion-interpolated stream is
> produced anyway, then output it directly instead of interleaving. What's
> needed is an interpolation
> alternative to minterpolate.
> Alternative Interpolation:
> 55 telecine with no interpolation or smoothing works well even though the
> n%5==2 frames are combed
> but decombing is desired. The problem with that is: I can't find a
> deinterlace filter that does
> pixel interpolation without reintroducing some telecine judder. The issue
> involves spacial alignment
> of the odd & even lines in the existing filters.
> Some existing filters align the decombed lines with the input's top field,
> some align the decombed
> lines with the input's bottom field. What's desired is a filter that
> aligns the decombed lines with
> the spacial mean. I suggest that the Sobel might be appropriate for the
> decombing (or at least, that
> the Sobel can be employed to visualize what's desired).
> Sobel of line y:   ______/\_____________/\_________ (edges)
> Sobel of line y+1: __________/\_____________/\_____
> Desired output:
>           line y:   ________/\_____________/\_______ (aligned to mean)
>           line y+1: ________/\_____________/\_______ (aligned to mean)
> I could find this:
>           line y:   ______/\_____________/\_________
>           line y+1: ______/\_____________/\_________ (aligned to top line
> edges)
> and I could find this:
>           line y:   __________/\_____________/\_____ (aligned to bottom
> line edges)
>           line y+1: __________/\_____________/\_____
Sorry, but I can not decipher above stuff. Does anybody else can?

> Does such a decomb filter exist? I've tested every deinterlacing filter,
> and I've failed to find one.
> Thank you for reading all this. I'm sorry it's so long.
> Regards,
> Mark.
> --
> Someone's sneaking in and turning up the range so that my food burns.
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> And the older I get, the more sure of it I become.
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