[Ffmpeg-devel] When is planned to add ogg Theora output in ffmpeg?

Patrick Aljord patcito
Fri Apr 7 17:17:09 CEST 2006

On 4/7/06, M?ns Rullg?rd <mru at inprovide.com> wrote:
> Patrick Aljord said:
> > On 4/7/06, M?ns Rullg?rd <mru at inprovide.com> wrote:
> >> It's not planned.  Basically, theora sucks, and ogg sucks more.
> >> Patches to support ogg/theora muxing are still welcome, of course.
> > first of all remember that theora is still alpha stuff but it's
> > getting there.
> If by "there" you mean where other codecs were a decade ago, sure.
> > I'm sure once it's 1.0 stable it will kick other codecs ass :)
> Impossible, at least not without replacing everything but the name.
> > just like they did with vorbis.
> Vorbis is good, but by no means unique.  It shines when compared to mp3,
> just like AAC and all other modern audio codecs also do.
> > Remember that vp6 (which is better than mpeg4)
> MPEG4 is generally considered a failed experiment.
> > is just an improved version of vp3 just like theora
> > so there is hope. (plus mpeg4 is just an improved mpeg2 :) )
> The problem is that pretty much anything you can imagine doing by way of
> video encoding is patented.
this doesn't take away the fact that vp6 is a very good codec based on
vp3, so there is chance that theora becomes great too. Plus saying
that theora sucks  and that it needs to be rewritten shows that you
might have a personal distate for it and that I can't argue with :).
Theora is already usable rtp and streaming or anything, it just needs
to mature a bit.

As for patents, remember that vp3 (and newer) is totally mpeg code and
patent free otherwise I guess they would have sued  on2 ass a while
ago (of course you might say that they are waiting for it become
popular before suing but on2 has made it clear this isn't the case),
remember that people were saying the same about vorbis but it was all
FUD, vorbis doesn't use any mp3 patent and neither does theora . Vp3
does use some patent, but on2 gave the right for everybody to use em.


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