[FFmpeg-user] Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg

miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr
Sat Aug 2 00:02:27 CEST 2014

I'll just point that this message is top posted (no crime, just taking 
notice), because I'll try and keep the usual order as much as now 
possible. So I'll continue some 10 lines below.
On 2014-08-01 17:33, Luke Davis wrote:
> There is nothing I can do, as someone not at all involved with Debian
> development (or, except for two frozen systems, not even a Debian user
> any more), but I wanted to say that I support your efforts.  This
> effects Ubuntu as well, which I do use.
> I thought a voice in favor might be good to hear.:)
> Regards,
> Luke
Thanks, Luke.
There is nothing off topic in my post. I got developers even doing 
something about this back in April, if anyone cares (as my previous 
gratuitous detractor here, and as my detractors on the Debian Forums, 
not so much on Gentoo forums back in April, have not cared to) to look 
up the thread from April of this same topic, of the same "Libav (Avconv) 
Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg" title as now.
Thanks again, Luke.
And below follows what Luke replied to.
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2014, miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
>> On 2014-08-01 01:25, miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
>>> On 2014-08-01 01:10, miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
>>>> I hope this thread is still accepting replies.
>>>> I have written a text[...]
>> [snip]
>>>> [...]I am planning to post it
>>>> on:
>>>> Debian Development
>>>> http://forums.debian.net/viewforum.php?f=19
>>>> right after successful sending of this mail.
>>> And it is there.
>> [snip]
>>> Here it is, at the time of this writing:
>>> Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux
>>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=116472
>> The pointer message shows up on:
>> http://www.deb-multimedia.org/lurker/message/20140731.231005.32dac362.en.html
>> as well.
>> There, and not here on FFmpeg mailing list archives (
>> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2014-August/022782.html
>> a fact to which I have no complaints against), it can be seen that I 
>> sent it
>> to:
>> To: FFmpeg user questions
>> CC: vorlon, ijackson, dmo-discussion
>> However, in the Debian Forums, while no server... ehrm... 
>> fluctuations
>> happened, as last time on Gentoo Forums, pls. see:
>> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2014-April/021025.html
>> in bottom:
>> Wow, what an amazing coincidence, the gentoo forums are down.
>> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://forums.gentoo.org
>> , it has been moved from the Debian Development section
>> into the Offtopic section,
>> where it currently is,
>> and which I feel as an affront.
>> For which reason, I am making just one public plea for it to be 
>> returned back
>> to the Debian Development section where I believe it belongs.
>> I understand that people who couldn't talk reason into the other 
>> apostatizing
>> members of the  Debian Technical Commitee and others in among the 
>> Debian
>> leadership who had been pushing the Debain Jessie that way very 
>> probably can do
>> little for returning my post where it belongs, into the Debian 
>> Development
>> section,
>> but please, Ian Jackson and Steve Langasek, can you help?
>> As well as you, Dasein, who I believe are Osamu Aoke, the man of the 
>> Debian
>> Reference tutorial, which I read parts of and really enjoyed, could 
>> you revert
>> from your "Moved to Offtopic" decision as can currently be seen here:
>> Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux
>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=116472#p548497
>> could you please, Osamu Aoke?
>> ============================================================
>> I believe I am making no mistake in my sending to all the mentioned 
>> recipients
>> (I'm also adding Jan O. Kechel from publictimestamp.org, pls. see 
>> below) along
>> with posting this text on the, currently Offtopic, but hopefully back 
>> to Debian
>> Development section, my new Debian Forums topic: "Defeat and Hope for
>> GNU/Linux".
>> Another anti-censorship measure of mine that I deployed in my 
>> publishing of my
>> new Debian Forums topic: "Defeat and Hope for GNU/Linux" first post 
>> was use of
>> the, let's give the result to the public:
>> http://publictimestamp.org/index.pl?pass=search&pass2=ptiddetails&pt=search_ptid&ptid=1236770
>> The file itself, which tallies with the one published on Debian 
>> Forums, just
>> without any HTML and typical forums' formatting, you can check at:
>> http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/gnu/pts/
>> I will next only correct those typoes and replenish the text with the 
>> missing
>> links, but apart from a pointer to the new, completed text that I 
>> will insert
>> at the very top of the first post of my new Debian Forums topic: 
>> "Defeat and
>> Hope for GNU/Linux", I won't change that now old document.
>> I will be here for both deb-multimedia.org and FFmpeg mailing lists, 
>> as well as
>> others addressed in these texts, to review possible follow-ups, and 
>> reply, or,
>> as necessary, provide further information/opinion/other.
>> Miroslav Rovis
>> Zagreb, Croatia
>> www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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